Joseph November wrote:Likewise, his claim that I am a “universalist” is laughable, as I have never deviated from the doctrine of absolute racial segregation.
Oh yes he did, when he told Jose the Mexican on Republic Radio that all races were supposed to work together, and that we get that from Scripture, and he said Israelite separation was only a separation of worship! The proofs of this are from his own podcast and it was reproduced in our Universalism of Eli James program in March.
See The Universalism of Eli James
Joseph November wrote:In all of these things, I follow Scripture, not William Finck. The Rules of Engagement of Deut. 20:9-20 make it very clear that only the very specific Canaanite tribes of Verse 17 are to be completely exterminated. All other nations or tribes are to be offered terms of peace (Verse 10). If they refuse those terms of peace, only then are the Israelites to smite them. We are not to intermarry with these peoples, unless they are White. Otherwise, they are to be placed under tribute, under the dominion of Israel. In all of these cases, BF has radically distorted my words and clear teachings.
The other tribes of the land of Canaan, those that were not the Rephaim, Kenites or Canaanites, were all Adamic, and at that time there were no other races in Palestine other than Adamites or the ten tribes of Canaan listed in Genesis 15 which were either not Adamic or not purely Adamic. Other tribes in Palestine which were White included but are not limited to Aramaeans, Elamites, Mizraim, Philistim and Midianites. It is commanded in Deuteronomy 23:3 that Ammonites and Moabites were to be excluded from the congregation of Israel. So therefore any other races, such as negroes or chinamen, are not part of the context, and November's examples in his answer prove nothing concerning them.
At the time of the Exodus, other non-Adamic races were not present in the land of Canaan, except the Kenite-Canaanite-Rephaim nations listed Genesis chapter 15.. Therefore there were no commands issued concerning them. Israel failed in Palestine, so what would be the point of Yahweh saying anything further? Yet it is demonstrable that Canaanite races, such as the Hittites, the Amorites and the Horites, had a considerable presence outside of the land of Canaan. Can we imagine, if Israel succeeded in Palestine, that their eventual fate would have been much different? Joe November cannot assume that the commands concerning the specific peoples of the land of Canaan were all that were in the mind of God. They are simply all that Israel was given at that time.
Furthermore, the end-times teachings of myself or Clifton Emahiser are not contingent upon the history of Israel in Canaan, so here November has created a distraction, raising another dust-cloud by which to obscure our actual teachings, and also creating another straw-man argument because he won't actually confront what we do teach, or for that matter, what the Bible teaches on the topic!
Joseph November wrote:By their broad brush, and by giving a universalistic definition of the words ‘Canaanite’ and ‘Edomite,’ Finck and Emahiser teach that all non-Whites are doomed to the same fate as these two demographics. Therefore, they all deserve to be exterminated!!! This is quite a far-fetched doctrine, which is nowhere to be found in Scripture. My refutation of this doctrinal concoction is contained in the article entitled “Crumbs,” at ASI.
Where do we define Canaanite and Edomite in such a manner? November here is a liar, putting words into our mouths, and over-simplifying our statements in an attempt to make them look silly, thereby creating another straw-man argument. As for the fate of the so-called other races, maybe November never read Jeremiah, or the rest of Obadiah:
KJV Jeremiah 30:11 wrote: For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.
KJV Jeremiah 46:28 wrote: Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
KJV Obadiah 1:15 wrote: For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head. 16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.
A fourth witness to these ominous prophecies is Ezekiel chapter 39, and a fifth is Revelation chapters 19 and 20. Those chapters tell us that all the hordes of Gog and Magog are to be completely destroyed, that “fire shall come down from heaven and devour them”, without exception. We shall be burying the bodies for seven months, which by prophetic time may well be 210 years. Contrary to this, Joe November stated that “The Blacks will go back to Africa. The Orientals will go back to China. The Mexicans will be sent back to Mexico.... and we Adamites will keep the lands that Yahweh has given to us. And there will be peace and prosperity everywhere...” The gospel of Joe November, which preaches that all of the aliens and bastards among us shall go back to their own lands and that there will then be “peace and prosperity everywhere”, is a gospel which gives false hope to aliens, to race-mixers, and to bastards. I can only ask, do the mix-race relationships and marriages of his daughters have anything to do with his anti-Christ eschatology?
Why has November never addressed the actual scriptures which I have cited in so many of my papers and podcasts, which support my teachings on eschatology? He has always merely created straw-man arguments in regards to this, and has never addressed the Scriptures which I actually use to support my arguments. Ever. This is in spite of the fact that these things are spelled out in my writings in several of my podcasts (where all of my notes are included), such as Joel chapter 2 and Revelation chapters 19 and 20.
The Prophecy of Joel, Part 2 - Christogenea on Talkshoe 04-20-2012
Christogenea 04-01-2011 - Revelation Chapters 19 and 20
In October of 2010, presenting Ezekiel chapters 38 & 39, both Eli James and Greg Howard agreed with Finck concerning all of his teachings of eschatology in this regard. The proof is posted in a reply below, immediately subsequent to this post. It may also be found at Christogenea: Answering the Shills, Part 4 Appendix
Bertrand Comparet certainly agrees with me, contrary to the false claims of Joe November, where he states:
Gathering the Tares, by Bertrand Comparet wrote:This gathering of the individual tares among us is exactly parallel to the similar gathering of the beast nations in this same judgment.
Joseph November wrote:William Finck also criticizes me for doing an interview with Darryl Bradford Smith. Have a look at Smith’s website, which has always been anti-Jewish, because he is a historical revisionist: http://www.iamthewitness.com/index.html See also: http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/Ashken ... elites.htm
At the same time, Mr. Smith is promoting Elizabeth Dilling, AC Hitchcock, Willie Martin and Eustace Mullins. What is wrong with that? What is wrong with making non-Whites aware of the Jewish problem? It is because Mr. Smith has become aware of the Jewish pretense of being Israel that he is now promoting these other critics of the Jews. The fact is that White people go there and find out about the true motives and perfidy of the Jews. This is a good thing! From such websites, they will eventually hear about Christian Identity, and the sheep can come back into the fold.
Here is the disclaimer which Darryl Bradford Smith proudly displays at the top of his website:
iamthewitness.com wrote:The French Connection disavows any contact with Nazis, Fascists or Racists in any form. More than likely, all of these news groups are Government Psy-Ops. "We are not racist, xenophobic, homophobic, or prejudiced against any race, creed, or national origin. We are prejudiced only against criminals"
Joseph November wrote:William Finck would have you believe that that is a bad thing, merely because Mr. Smith is a half-breed! William Finck would have you believe that half-breeds and non-Whites are condemned to die just because they are not White. By infusing Identity with this rank, un-scriptural hatred, William Finck proves himself to be an infiltraitor. Because of his subtle theology, he is by far the most dangerous threat that Christian Identity faces at the present time.
Firstly, Smith is not “anti-Jewish”, he is anti-Zionist, and there is a huge difference. He does not promote awareness to the “Jewish problem”. He consistently hosts programs with jews such as Alan Sabrosky, as well as several arabs and other non-Whites. Secondly, there are many other sites, and better, that present the same information which Smith's site does. Smith produces no scholarship of his own, and only rides on the work of others. Thirdly, here is the announcement at the top of Smith's page: “The French Connection disavows any contact with Nazis, Fascists or Racists in any form. More than likely, all of these news groups are Government Psy-Ops. We are not racist, xenophobic, homophobic, or prejudiced against any race, creed, or national origin. We are prejudiced only against criminals.” Then he features an article by Willie Martin right below that message, which proves that he is a hypocrite.
But how did “Eli James” get an appearance with Smith, if November would stick to basic Christian Identity principals? The truth is that November would not adhere to such principals, and compromised on the race issue with Smith throughout the program. This was the reason and the basis for the “Eli James the Chameleon” video which November blamed Finck for producing, even long after the video's actual producer had written him on the issue and attempted to correct him. That video is found at the John844.org website, where the original program recording is also posted: http://john844.org/eli-james-chameleon
As for my “rank, unscriptural hatred” of bastards, what about the commandment in Deuteronomy that “A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of Yahweh”? And here November defends working with non-Whites, but out of the other side of his mouth he says that he “never deviated from the doctrine of absolute racial segregation”, just a few paragraphs above? How can we have absolute racial segregation yet approve of non-Whites and promote their work? Joe November is either living in a fantasy world, or he is a purposeful deceiver.
November thinks awfully highly of Darryl Bradford Smith, the admitted mongrel and White-hater. Here is what Smith thinks of “Eli James”. This audio clip is of Smith and frequent collaborator John Kaminski, who is the first voice to be heard. Kaminski is also an anti-racist:
This clip was originally posted on the Christogenea Forum here: http://forum.christogenea.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=5007
In this clip, however, Kaminski unfairly disparages both Christian Identity and Carolyn Yeager. Smith also displays a vehement attitude towards Yeager. However Yeager is probably right about Smith, and we should recognize that Smith, an anti-racist, is therefore the enemy of all Whites who take a firm stand for Whites.
This is the same Kaminski who in an article which he still has online, entitled “Jesus was a druid and that’s the best part of him!”, quoted Finck and referred to him as “the great Christian Identity scholar William Finck”, showing just how hypocritical he is.
So we see that Kaminski thinks "Eli James" is a rabbi, where he obviously adopted all of Skip Baker's anti-November propaganda. However Smith calls November a "dirtbag" and says he would never have him on his program again.
This is where compromise gets us. Listening to the entire podcast, which is posted at John844.org (see the links following this paragraph), it is clear that November bent over backwards in attempting to agree with Smith concerning the non-White races. But regardless, Smith still hated November. The lesson here is a clear one, and consistent with all such situations: regardless of accommodation, the enemies of Christ will always hate the Christian Identity message. Joe November, after what he claims is a nearly 40-year ministry, still has not learned that very basic lesson.
This program with "Eli James" and Darryl Bradford Smith can be found here:
Eli James The Chameleon is the video made which takes excerpts of the statements most pertinent to this thread. I am NOT responsible for the creation of this video. It was made by another John844.org website member.
Click here to download the original "Eli James" / Darryl Bradford Smith podcast. the audio is the original program from http://iamthewitness.com.
On October 15th, 2010, Eli James and William Finck did a program where they presented Ezekiel Chapter 38. On that date, Eli totally agreed with Finck on the topic of eschatology and the non-Adamic races. How he did a 180-degree turn in the subsequent months, well, perhaps that really does not matter.
On October 22nd, 2010, Greg Coward (Howard) and William Finck did a subsequent program where they presented Ezekiel Chapters 38 & 39, because Finck had chosen to recapitulate his comments on Ezekiel 38 in summary as an appropriate lead-in to Ezekiel 39. On that date, Greg totally agreed with Finck on the topic of eschatology and the non-Adamic races. However in January of 2011 Greg merely followed along with Eli, not being able to discern the flattery of his enchanter.
Greg Howard has made himself into Joe November's Mortimer Snerd. The resemblance is striking.